Ursula

Graduated from The Police Academy

Ursula being Pinned by her Mom

Interviewed by Women in the RFBC Fall 07 90 Days of Boot Camp Program on 10/07/2007
Carlene Ursula, whatever made you believe you could compete in the Police Academy against all those fit men and women.
Ursula I've always believed that you can accomplish anything you set your mind to. I also believe that a big part of fitness is in your mind. I worried that I might not be able to keep up with everyone in the run because I don't have the best endurance...but I was going to try. This is what I wanted to do and I was going to do it no matter what. I figured if nothing else...I'd get in shape. I knew that I could push myself through some of the things. I was a bit smaller than I am now, but imagine a 270lb girl doing flutter kicks and so many over arm hand-claps that I just wanted to die.
Carlene Was the first day difficult when your team saw you for the first time. Did you feel as if they were disappointed or that they were judging you?
Ursula Hmm...I always feel that people are judging me, like what is SHE thinking? At the same time as our class was the corrections class next door. Most of their people are obese...I worried that they thought I should be over there. But again, this is where I wanted to be and what I was going to do.
Carlene How did you find it in yourself to keep up with these other people.

Ursula

 

I just did. Failure wasn't an option for me. It's funny...I can go into many things but have had trouble with using this mentality when it comes to weight. I was considered one of the smartest in class...when anyone had a question they would ask me...they judged how hard the test really was based on my score...that was a lot of pressure. But they also helped me up if I 'fell' while doing the physical stuff...some days they had to help push me along to keep me going the pace they needed me to.
Carlene Were you ever afraid that no police station would take you even if you graduated because of your weight.
Ursula This was my #1 fear. I was so afraid that no one would want the fat cop to hire. I only wanted to work for one department. I only applied to that one department. When I went to my interview they asked me if I was interested in any other departments and what made me want to work there...I gave them my answer and told them that this was the only place I wanted to work. They asked me what i would do if they didn't hire me, I chuckled out loud and said, "I'll apply somewhere else?" I found out after graduating that the daughter of one of my mom's co-workers is a police officer for another agency, When she heard my first name she said my whole name and her mom said yeah, that's her...Her daughter said yeah, we were gonna try and pick her up but Palm Bay (PD) got to her first. I couldn't believe it! Not only did the only place I ever wanted to work want me, but others were planning on trying to recruit me as well!
Carlene How many "good intentioned people" tried to talk you out of applying thinking they were saving you from failure?
Ursula None, everyone in my life said I do well at whatever I put my mind to and they were supportive.
Carlene For how long in your life did you want to become a police officer and how big of a passion was it?
Ursula It was something that I had always thought about doing, I really wanted to be a k9 officer, which is still my passion. I know that I have to get in a lot better shape to do it. But it was always something that I had thought about doing and I had a turn in my life where I realized that it was time to do something different...after the fire academy I figured I could do anything.
Sherry Did you think they were banking on you not making it through?
Ursula It's hard to explain unless you've been in a military, or para-military class like this, but no. They were there to make sure that made it through. When we walked in the door it was like we all bonded immediately and we weren't leaving anyone behind. I never felt like they didn't think I'd make it, it was like they were going to make sure that I did no matter what.
Sherry Did they have to special order your uniform and bullet proof vest?
Ursula I was wearing a size 18-20 BDU pants and XXL shirt...those I was able to get from the uniform store. I didn't get a bullet proof vest until I started with the PD, I got an old guys vest that didn't fit very well...then after I got out of the field training program they fitted me for a vest...they used the same vest they use on everyone to fit me (it has notches and numbers everywhere to tell you what size to make the final thing). So no, I wasn't quite there.

When I started with the department they did have to special order my pants, come to think of it. They tried a bunch of different sizes...they didn't have female sizes as big as I needed and the men's sizes that big just didn't fit right.
Sherry Do you think they ever resented you being a part of them?
Ursula It's always something I worry about, but they've never treated me that way...not once. I think because we know that we have to trust someone else with our life when it comes down to it.
TiggerBounce Did you ever feel left out by others on your team/group?
Ursula Not at the academy. A little at the department when I first came on. But I've come to realize it wasn't because I was female or overweight...it was because I was new. You have to kinda prove yourself. Lot's of people get washed out in the field training program (FTO) so no one makes any lasting friendships till they know you're there to stay.
TiggerBounce Were there some physical tasks that you were just unable to do or thought you would not be able to do?
Ursula I've always wanted to be k9. I didn't realize what all was involved. during FTO we had K9 come out and we were going to do a track. Well the K9 officer has to have another officer accompany him because his attention is on the dog and the dog's signal, he needs another officer to call out the track (where the dog turns and so on) and also to look around and watch for potential danger. Well I was all excited because me and my FTO were going to go on the track with him. I kept up for a good bit, but then I got caught in some really tall grass and lost them, in the dark. I made my way to the main road and then back to our car... You're pretty much running along after the K9 team during a track. I haven't done a track since. I want to get my endurance up so that I can start doing that again...another officer always has to do it, which they don't mind...but I want to be able to participate in that. Plus if I want to be ever considered for K9 I have to be in good enough shape to do it.
Marie Do you still feel feminine being a police officer?
Ursula I do. I still do my hair and wear waterproof/sweat proof make up. I actually cut my hair short because I'm vain, and knew that otherwise I would have to have my hair up all the time! LOL I'm kinda in between being feminine and tom boyish. I like being a girl,, but I'm independent and strong. We don't have a lot of feminine cops...but we do have some.
Carlene As a cop, are there any fears you have about your weight keeping you from being able to do your job. Like running after someone, or up flights of stairs.
Ursula Yes, as I mentioned I want to be a K9 officer. You have to be very in shape to do this. You have to be able to keep up with your dog when he's on a track and so on. Plus I know that there's a possibility of needing to fight with someone while I wait for back up. We're a very officer safety-conscience dept and we always have back up. But if I were on a traffic stop and someone decided to try and fight me...would I be able to defend myself? Well, I'm very strong even if I can't run or what not. I'm sure that for a few minutes I would be able to do well...and that's not to say anything for adrenaline. But sure, it's a concern. I promised my family that I would come home each and every night...I intend on keeping that promise.
Carlene You have said the other cops accept you. What about civilians you arrest. Do they use your weight to verbally abuse you. And if so, how do you cope with that.
Ursula This is an excellent question...I did have a person whom I pulled over...I won't go into the details, but they didn't like the way I conducted my stop. Like I said in the above question I promised to come home every night/day...so I make sure I'm safe...well sometimes you can't always be sweet when you're being safe...I was matter of fact with someone and they didn't like it. They wanted to speak to my supervisor (who lectured them on the fact that more officers die on traffic stops then any other call) and as they drove away they told me I needed to lose weight. I was a bit offended. But I have pretty thick skin when it comes to this sort of thing. I honestly only care about what a few people think of me. If you aren't important to me then I don't care what you think of me. This person wasn't important to me and later asked my sergeant to apologize to me. This is the only time I've ever had anyone say anything to me about my weight. Generally the people I arrest apologize for me having to spend time on them for whatever stupid thing they did to make me arrest them.
Carlene And what about others. Do the people of your town give you the respect you deserve or do they seem to hold your weight against you.
Ursula I believe that no matter what your weight the respect you deserve comes from the way you act and the respect you give. I give respect to everyone until you give me a reason not to respect you. I truly believe that a lot of people who are overweight or obese may not get the respect they deserve because of one of two things...either they have that Napoleon syndrome where they assume people are going to look down on them so they give attitude right off...or they figure "i'm no good..." so others feel the same way because of the aura they give off. If you want respect...command it. You're worth it. BUT you must also give respect. Everyone deserves some respect (well, for the most part). And if you give it to them, they will give it to you.
Carlene What made you decide to try a raw foods diet to regain your health.
Ursula Well, after losing 100lbs on the Atkins diet, I knew weight loss was possible. However it didn't set right with me. Any diet I couldn't eat FRUIT on?? I believe that nothing that occurs naturally could be wrong...and fruit is a natural substance. Then I started thinking of what would you eat if you weren't living in civilization...back when we didn't have houses and supermarkets and so on? So I decided that I was going to eat an all natural diet. I stopped eating processed food and came up with my own 'natural diet'. I ate what I wanted as long as I ate it in a way it would occur in nature. I ate meat, but not anything ground, or processed...like I would eat chicken breast, but no hot dogs, sausage or anything that didn't look like it would off the animal. I didn't eat cheese or milk...I ate veggies and fruit. My motto was, "when it doubt, leave it out." Well, I did good like this, lost 10lbs in 2 weeks. I wanted more info...I knew that I couldn't have been the first person to come up with this plan so I googled "natural diet." It was then that I heard about the raw food diet. Soon after this I was in Miami to watch my mom race in a marathon...I went to my first Whole Foods...I found my first raw book by Paul Nison, read the book in two days and went raw then. Of course I've had my issues because although nutrition is only one reason why I've become obese, emotions and eating disorders is a completely different reason. I could've just eaten healthy years ago...I didn't because I had emotions connected with cookies and chips. I've learned that we must combat these things together in order to become truly healthy.
Carlene As you lose weight here at Rawk Village, how do you see it affecting your life as a cop and as a woman.
Ursula As a cop I see the weight loss giving me the motivation to achieve all my goals. As I mentioned many times, I can't do k9 without being in shape. Also even though I am a pretty confident person...there is always the fat girl inside who is afraid I can't do the things I want to do because of my weight. Hopefully the fat girl will go away and realize that she can do anything in life.

As a woman...Losing weight needs to be only about becoming physically healthier. I don't want the weight loss to be the factor that makes me feel more like a woman. Women need to understand that we don't need to be thin to be real women. We do things everyday that make us women. We care for children, husbands, hold jobs and help others. We already ARE real women. We're as real as they get. Being thin is about one thing...being physically healthy. Being a woman is an emotional thing we need to disconnect from our weight and realize it's about something completely different.
Carlene Please also tell us about your goals to do a triathlon with your mom. How is that training going?
Ursula My goal to do a triathlon comes from my love of a challenge. I love challenges. I not only love challenges, but I love the hardest challenges. I'm not looking to conquer one sport, but 3. My mom is a huge athlete. She's addicted...yes addicted to working out and being an athlete. It defines her. I've always wanted to do a triathlon, then she went and did it first! ;-) Now I want to overcome this aspect of my life. I want to do this with her so that we can become even closer than we already are. We haven't started out training yet, although I'm finishing up a triathlon training book my mom gave me, and I'm just getting in as many miles walking right now that I can to get myself ready! This I'll have to keep you updated on!
A Note From Ursula's Mom Elizabeth
Raising Ursula was a pleasure.  She always had high aspirations and usually succeeded in whatever she committed herself to.  When she began gaining weight as a teenager, my friends and family told me to push her away from the table; put her on a diet; she's a closet eater; she's going to have personality issues and the list goes on.  I instinctively knew that there was more to Ursula's weight gain than anyone, including me, realized.  Due to hormonal make-up and as Ursula had commented, emotional issues that stemmed from the weight gain, things started spiraling downhill.
 
It was a very tough and heart-breaking experience to watch your little girl begin to look unhealthy.  Yes, I was one of the moms that would always try and reassure her that I loved her for who she is and the weight didn't matter to me.  But it did....because she would have breathing problems and knee problems and also because she couldn't fit into that size 9 banquet dress that she so desperately wanted to fit into.  Although I never had much of a weight problem I lived being fat through my little girl's eyes.  I love her that much.
 
Although we dealt with the hormonal problems medically, nothing was going to change until Ursula made up her mind that she was ready for a life-changing event.  In her early twenties, Ursula finally had enough.  Although the Atkin's Diet isn't the healthiest, it was an extreme measure that Ursula took to take control of her life and her weight problems.  This inspired her to look beyond the meat-cheese eating diet to healthy fruits and vegetables that made her feel much better and lead to raw eating.
 
Can you tell I'm a proud mom?
 
Elizabeth Ring

Ursula's Impassioned Plea at Camp on the Virtues of Team Work and Peer Support
Ursula was in the fire department before joining the police force

Okay...as Carlene mentioned when I was in fire school we use to do a lot of strenuous activity...one of the worst was this thing we called a combat challenge. A brief overview so you can get the full effect: Fully geared up, pack and all (so like an extra 30lbs on your body), you're hot and weighted down...next, you pick up a 50lb pack of hose, throw it up on your shoulder and climb 3 flights of stairs...get to the top drop that pack of hose and hoist another 50lb pack with a pulley system...then you go down the stairs empty handed...must touch every step! Next you walk around the building...go to this sled thing that you take a rubber mallet and hit this steel block on the steel...now it takes the average MALE like 20 whacks to move it one inch...you have to move the whole thing about a foot and a half. So now you're out of breath and your hands and arms are numb, next you go raise a ladder (it's on a pulley system too), then you walk over to where a charged hose line is, pick it up and drag it...figure each gallon of water weighs 8lbs...you're probably dragging about 10 times that. Then you walk over to where a 150lb dummy is waiting for you. Grab him, and it ain't easy...drag him like 50ft across a line. The first time I did this I was much smaller than I am, by probably 60lbs, it was the toughest thing I'd ever done physically...and I've done some tough stuff. during the dummy pull I kept falling down, you're suppose to grab the dummy from the rear, under the arms, and drag backwards...well when I squatted down I was falling over on my butt, LOL. Well, by this time I was about 9min into the whole thing (takes the average guy about 5 min), by this time everyone in my fire school class was next to me. Yelling at me "LEt's Go, Let's go, Let's go!" "You're not quitting, let's GO!" They yelled at me until I crossed that line...then they stripped my gear off me and got me into the shade. Then one stayed with me and the others went to go yell at the next person doing the challenge. That's how it was...you don't let someone fall down. And if they do then you get down with them and pull them up!

Okay, shorter story and then the most important thing I want all of you to get out of this post...Last August I started the police academy. I'm the type of person that would irritate most. I'm very confident when it comes to most things. I truly believe I can do anything I put my mind to and want bad enough. I believe everyone has that in them. Most people choose to feel sorry for themselves or not better themselves. If you want to do something I fully believe there is a way if you choose to do it. Not everything is easy...just like Boot Camp You might have to do things the hard way, but if you give me a reason why you can't do whatever it is...I'll give you a solution, always. There's a way to do everything. I fully believe, no, know that if I wanted to be president, I could. Anyway, when I started the academy the only thing I was nervous about was the PT(physical training). The police academy is more para military than the fire service...hell our class leader was an ex-marine drill seargant! One of our PT instructors was also a marine. I hated the days that he came to class. Most days when the class was running in formation I could get away with running behind..not in formation. But on the days that Swainston was there...if I fell out of formation he would stop the class, make them get into a push-up position and wait until I showed up...then continue. He'd let them get around the loop once, and they would have to wait for me. Push up position in the heat on asphalt sucks and hurts! So the next time he showed up the group decided they were gonna do something different...they put me in the front of the formation. They weren't leaving me behind any longer. I use to joke and say I was the pace car. The understanding before the instructor got there was that no matter what he yelled at us everyone went at Ring's pace (that's me). So there I was front right corner(closer to the inside). One of our army classmates use to sing cadences which of course I didn't join in...I could barely breathe and run...every now and again he sing Ur-sul-a....where-ya-at? and I would raise my hand and everyone would cheer for me...the end of PT hour the instructor said, "well, I doubt half of you got any exercise...but you didn't leave anyone behind...I respect that." We did this just about every day. Whether we were running in formation or doing those horrid suicide runs (groups of two big long line...when you get to the end of the line you have to run to the front of the line), I guess they call them suicide runs because it makes you want to shoot yourself to get out of doing them, but we always stayed together. Then when it came to the academic portion we had some that had trouble...so we formed study groups that we required them to come to. Everyone in our class passed. We were the first class in 10years to not have anyone fail out of any portion. We had like a 95% hire rate too which is extremely high. When we were in pt and someone had to do push ups...everyone got down and did them too. We didn't leave anyone behind. Funny side note...that PT instructor is now a corporal of mine at the PD I work for...I don't know if he said anything about me to his uppers...but I was offered the job not but maybe a month after all this.

Now the important part. When I went to the academy I didn't feel I had the time to devote to RFBC like I should. Carlene was nice and told me to come as much as I could and when I was done I could pick up where I left off. I abused the niceness...I pretty much stopped showing up. I wasn't completely truthful on the last few weigh-ins. I broke raw and never came for help. I knew that there were people here who cared about me. It didn't matter that they had never met me in real life before. They cared. They knew my pain because they had been through it themselves. They knew what it was to get up in the middle of the night and binge eat in private. But I was too proud to come here and tell them. When I was big into RFBC before the academy I was a moderator...I was supposed to be the one helping, and not the one needing help. I felt that I was supposed to be above all this breaking raw nonsense. I completely left raw. I tried to do some other things I thought might make life easier. Macrobiotics...and a couple others. I couldn't bring myself to come back to raw...it hurt to think that I had failed Carlene. and worse...the other women at camp. Carlene, while I love her dearly, she's not gonna suffer because I break raw. But I had made some serious bond with these other women. We had supported each other through a lot of challenges and issues. I missed them dearly. I never said goodbye. I didn't want to because to say goodbye would mean having to admit that I had broken raw. I felt like Humpty Dumpty...I didn't feel I could be put together again.

I still received emails about RFBC from Carlene...sometimes I would read them...I wanted to know how everyone had been doing. I believe the email where Carlene talked about this 90 day program was fate. It was the universe's way of telling me that it was time to go home to raw.

Now...I'm telling this long story because I want everyone to know what I know. Support here is the most important tool we have. I didn't allow others to help me. For the first time EVER there were women willing to support me and I shunned their assistance. I wanted to baby myself and feel sorry for myself for being obese when so many women could eat the same foods and not gain weight. I had all this support and didn't use it. Ladies, don't make my mistake. If you start to feel the need to stray...come here. If you can't get hold of someone then peruse some raw sites until someone does show up. Read inspiration quotes that make you want to keep going. This is so worth it in the end. Use the help. You may think that these women whom you don't really know won't be able to help you. They CAN. We CAN. We don't leave anyone behind at Boot Camp We're in this together. You signed up for a place where women are going to help you succeed in your goals if you let them. So let us! Don't make the mistake I made. I lost 40lbs at RFBC the first time (maybe more...i can't remember) I gained it ALL back plus an EXTRA 30lbs. If you break raw..don't try to hide it. I did and it got me nowhere...well, it got me somewhere all right...back in the fattest jeans I ever owned that I kept to show how far I'd come...now they fit me. I use to could fit one and a half of me in there! PLEASE join me in the best health and thinnest bodies we've ever had. There's one way to do it...ask for help when you need it.

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